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He now owns five nightclubs and lives in Phoenix. Well, first of all we decided to do our own rodeo, [ We didn't have as many people as we wanted out there but we made a thousand dollars and we promtly gave it to charity. With that we sort of got the attention and the start of acceptance by the rest of the gay community.

John King: Sure, March the 6th, RS: And where did you grow up? JK: On a farm in Iowa, southeast Iowa. RS: What did your parents do for a living? JK: Well, my father was a farmer, but he also ran an insurance agency, and my mother worked as a nurse receptionist in a doctor's office. RS: And did you have siblings? JK: Yes, three.

RS: And what did an average day look like when you were growing up? JK: An average day? Starting at age 10, or age 9, I had to learn how to milk cows.

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And, so that would mean that I would have to get up at 5 o'clock, and so in between about 8 or 9 and age 18 when I left for college, almost every day of my life my father woke me up and I got dressed and went out and milked cows, and fed hogs, and chickens, whatever else it takes to make a farm run. RS: And did you like school?

JK: Did I what? RS: Did you like school? JK: Yes, most of the country. RS: Did you like college? JK: I ended up, I hated school when they used their, they used their, aptitude tests and gay me in the engineering school, and once I found out what an engineer did, and what that would entail, I wasn't interested and so I didn't like school at all.

And I was of draft age and so I quit school and worked on denver farm until I was about ready to be drafted and then I signed up, to work in the finance department, because I enjoy that. I've been treasurer of just about every organization cause I know the money. And so then when I got out of the service, I knew by that time I wanted to go into business and I got straight A's all the way through and I loved school I loved my professors; I loved bantering with them; I loved preparing challenging reports for them; I loved developing cash flow concepts; I loved all that part, so the answer is: No at first and yes second.

RS: That's what we want to hear. Was being in bar service hard at all? JK: No, for me, well, the first four months, being away from home, since our family farm was forty-four miles away from the university of Iowa, I literally, would save up my dirty clothes and then every three weeks go home and my mother would wash my clothes and I would go back and so, I really didn't learn how to live on my own until I went into the service, and the first 3 months they were a shock.

But then after that I had money saved [Phone beeps]… Excuse me, I don't know what he was trying to say.